>> The older V5 IDE source code has been available for years. In fact,
>> several attempts have been made to port the IDE to Linux. The
>> problem is, the COMPILER source code hasn't been available. Separate
>> code, separate issue. Or at least it was...
>>
>
> Savage doesn't own their own compiler? 8-O
>
>
The compiler source is the family jewels, that will never be open
source. The IDE is just the interface to it, and it has been OS for
quite a while.
>> I would very much NOT like to see the IDE and compiler ported to
>> Java. I use Linux, I use WinXP but I HATE Java applications with one
>> possible exception: Eclipse. And even that is optional. It is just
>> an IDE - compilers and such are outside Eclipse. Java apps are a
>> nightmare to set up. Most Linux distros don't include Sun Java and
>> you have to mess with 'alternatives' to set the proper version as the
>> default. Talk about non-compatible: GNU Java vs Sun Java on the same
>> machine.
>>
>
> Hmm. I did a very large development about 10 years ago where I had to
> have the same code running on something like 12 different platforms
> including Windows, Mac, the Linuxae, the BSDs, and Solaris. (It was an
> ISP accounting system with RADIUS server talking to an SQL back-end.)
> Frankly, Java was the only thing that would work for us and it did.
> Even running on MacOS 8 (ugly) and WinNT using MS Access as the
> database (even uglier) worked. Of course we were using big Sun/Solaris
> iron and Oracle for sites that really had to scale (like AT&T).
>
> So my experience with Java was, quite frankly, very positive.
>
> Gnu has done a version of Java? What were they thinking! We just went
> through this with Microsoft and Sun not too long ago.
>
>
>> Truth be known, even though I have 3 versions of Linux (Red Hat WS 4,
>> Ubuntu 7.10 and SUSE 10.3) on 3 different machines, I don't like it.
>> I USE it every single day but I don't like it. It is NEVER going to
>> go very far until it gets installable binary drivers and an API for
>> drivers to target. It is a PITA to run RedHat WS 4 about 40 kernel
>> upgrades back just because I have to recompile the video driver from
>> source for every single change. And I have to wait for the
>> manufacturer to get around to upgrading the driver source to match
>> the kernel versions.
>>
>
> That is the point. You have to change whenever you have a new version
> of the kernel or OS. That is the beauty of having a consistent and
> universal interface.
>
>
>> That certainly isn't the case for WinXP. There is a clean interface
>> for drivers that doesn't change just because there is a small tweak
>> to the 'kernel'.
>>
>> I'm not even going to upgrade to Vista and, when anyone asks, I
>> suggest they buy their new computers with WinXP and skip the
>> Vista 'experience'. To put my money where my opinions lie, I just
>> bought two laptops (Dell Precision M6300) and ordered them both with
>> WinXP.
>>
>
> That is all very well and good. OTOH, there are many people who
> consider running a Microsoft OS just too high a price to pay. Case in
> point, by switching our school from Windows to Macintosh this year the
> amount of time I spend on system support has dropped to 20% of what it
> was even though I have massively increased the number of services. I
> can't afford all the security problems that running Windows entails.
> So I need to run something else.
>
> In the mean time, I am forced to run a virtualization package in order
> to run Windows on our Macs purely in order to run the OOPic IDE and
> the various Parallax IDEs. I was thinking aloud as to how it would be
> easier if their IDE could be ported to different platforms. Frankly, I
> don't care how it gets done but I bet there are those who would prefer
> to run on something other than Windows.
>
>
Many, but we don't hold our breath. Windows is still the 800 pound
gorilla. When choosing which OS to support, the logical one is
Windows. Today.
DLC
> Brian Lloyd
> Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl
> brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661
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