> --- In oopic@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lloyd <brian-wb6rqn@...> wrote:
>
>> As a follow-on to the gentleman who came up with the fix for
>>
> running
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>> the compiler/IDE under Vista, I would like to suggest a change to
>>
> the
>
>> IDE and rewrite it in Java. While I am not a huge fan of Java, I
>>
> do
>
>> know that if the IDE were rewritten in it, one could run the IDE
>>
> much
>
>> more easily on other platforms.
>>
>> We are doing our level best to eliminate Windows but two things
>>
> are
>
>> left that require us to run it: the OOPic IDE and the various
>>
> tools
>
>> from Parallax.
>>
>> Brian Lloyd
>> Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl
>> brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661
>> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.791.912.8170 (fax)
>>
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> The older V5 IDE source code has been available for years. In fact,
> several attempts have been made to port the IDE to Linux. The
> problem is, the COMPILER source code hasn't been available. Separate
> code, separate issue. Or at least it was...
>
> I would very much NOT like to see the IDE and compiler ported to
> Java. I use Linux, I use WinXP but I HATE Java applications with one
> possible exception: Eclipse. And even that is optional. It is just
> an IDE - compilers and such are outside Eclipse. Java apps are a
> nightmare to set up. Most Linux distros don't include Sun Java and
> you have to mess with 'alternatives' to set the proper version as the
> default. Talk about non-compatible: GNU Java vs Sun Java on the same
> machine.
>
>
My biggest issue with Java is the slow startup. After it is running it
is fine - IF you have the horsepower to run the JVM well. I liked
developing in Java, but the hooks to the GUI were always troublesome.
> Truth be known, even though I have 3 versions of Linux (Red Hat WS 4,
> Ubuntu 7.10 and SUSE 10.3) on 3 different machines, I don't like it.
> I USE it every single day but I don't like it. It is NEVER going to
> go very far until it gets installable binary drivers and an API for
> drivers to target. It is a PITA to run RedHat WS 4 about 40 kernel
> upgrades back just because I have to recompile the video driver from
> source for every single change. And I have to wait for the
> manufacturer to get around to upgrading the driver source to match
> the kernel versions.
>
> That certainly isn't the case for WinXP. There is a clean interface
> for drivers that doesn't change just because there is a small tweak
> to the 'kernel'.
>
> I'm not even going to upgrade to Vista and, when anyone asks, I
> suggest they buy their new computers with WinXP and skip the
> Vista 'experience'. To put my money where my opinions lie, I just
> bought two laptops (Dell Precision M6300) and ordered them both with
> WinXP.
>
>
Ditto. Heck, I've back-rev'd WXP to W2K for quite a while, but many
apps are coming out that are WXP only, so that will be my next step,
after I remove the snoop-and-sneak ware from it. But that is only for a
few things - I'm a Mac fan, now THERE is a UN*X environment done right
(IMO).
DLC
> Richard
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